Federal Budget: Do you want an election? Do you think anything will change with an election? - Ontario Agriculture2024-03-29T14:06:57Zhttps://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/federal-budget-do-you-want-an?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A15162&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI been listening to CBC, and…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-04-07:3646443:Comment:151622011-04-07T01:06:40.211ZBristowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Bristow
I been listening to CBC, and think where have I heared this before. Some promises to do this and do that, soon as they are in, back to screwing Mr and Mrs Voter. Your Librials are just ex Union leaders and red rag social climbers, Conservatives gentlemen farmers that are more a home in the city, lawyers, bankers and sons of Politians, thinking they are JFK. NDP socialist social workers who think the country in a money pit, they can play with after a dinner party with a bunch of Yuppies like…
I been listening to CBC, and think where have I heared this before. Some promises to do this and do that, soon as they are in, back to screwing Mr and Mrs Voter. Your Librials are just ex Union leaders and red rag social climbers, Conservatives gentlemen farmers that are more a home in the city, lawyers, bankers and sons of Politians, thinking they are JFK. NDP socialist social workers who think the country in a money pit, they can play with after a dinner party with a bunch of Yuppies like a game of charades. The block well if they want to seperate, let them. They are still going to get the same Politians only in french, taxed twice as much because the fedral money will be gone. PS anyone noticed any Big Signs on crown land writen the new sight of a Policestation/ Hospital/community center lately. Joann,
I agree there is conte…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-04-06:3646443:Comment:149732011-04-06T11:22:33.840ZHarry Stamhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/HarryStam
<p>Joann,</p>
<p>I agree there is contempt by the government but I do not agree that the world is watching, in fact I do not even think that most Canadians are watching. The world cares little about Canada and I do not believe for a minute that any government any where in the world is watching our election with any real interest. I also believe Canadians have become so used to inept government that they have turned it off. That disinterest is the fault of both the Liberals and the Conservatives…</p>
<p>Joann,</p>
<p>I agree there is contempt by the government but I do not agree that the world is watching, in fact I do not even think that most Canadians are watching. The world cares little about Canada and I do not believe for a minute that any government any where in the world is watching our election with any real interest. I also believe Canadians have become so used to inept government that they have turned it off. That disinterest is the fault of both the Liberals and the Conservatives and to a lesser extent the NDP. The two big parties act horribly and take more interest in running the next guy down than they have of actually governing. Our political set up causes the opposition to be opposed to everything the government puts forth even when they know it is for the countries good. What a waste of time and energy. The original intent of opposition parties was to be the party that held government to account, not to oppose absolutely everything. Our present day political parties obstruct government and our ruling parties abuse their power. As far as I am concerned, I wish Harper, Iggy and Layton would all retire and that we could get some new forward thinking people in who can work together. These guys cannot be the best Canada has to offer. <br/><br/><cite>Joann said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>From what I understand, but correct me if this is wrong.... that the contempt charges are precedent in this country. I would imagine it will be up to the Opposition to determine what action is forecoming. I have no idea if the G.G. would be part of this mess or not.</p>
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<p>The world is watching to see what happens. Strong leadership.... from someone please.... is needed now. Much is at stake. </p>
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<p>If Canada shows contempt to its own citizens... are they capable of showing contempt to other nations?</p>
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<p><cite>Joe Dales said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><p>Hi Joann,</p>
<p>I don't disagree with your point regarding contempt.</p>
<p>I have only been half watching this last political fiasco.</p>
<p>In the past, has every government in contempt fallen and called an election?</p>
<p>Just wondering about precedents and is an election a foregone conclusion irregardless of the budget?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Joe</p>
<p> </p>
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</blockquote> My 2cents. I think the Conse…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-03-31:3646443:Comment:140632011-03-31T18:57:43.708ZSteve Twynstrahttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Steve
My 2cents. I think the Conservatives will still form a minority albeit with far fewer of the popular vote behind them in rural ON. Most farmers are disillusioned with the Western Reform Party (oops, sorry, Conservative) lack of commitment and/or outright neglect of ON agriculture (how many rural ON MP's do we have again?) and will continue on the tractor seat rather than get out and vote during spring seeding. We do not have the rallying cry of Harper's "scrap CAIS" lie to muster us out to…
My 2cents. I think the Conservatives will still form a minority albeit with far fewer of the popular vote behind them in rural ON. Most farmers are disillusioned with the Western Reform Party (oops, sorry, Conservative) lack of commitment and/or outright neglect of ON agriculture (how many rural ON MP's do we have again?) and will continue on the tractor seat rather than get out and vote during spring seeding. We do not have the rallying cry of Harper's "scrap CAIS" lie to muster us out to the polling booth this time! Throw in some scandal/contempt issues and their sharp move to the centre and the Cons aren't much different than the Libs under Martin after all. What ever you vote, you are s…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-03-25:3646443:Comment:135742011-03-25T14:34:29.964ZBristowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Bristow
What ever you vote, you are still getting the same policys, lies and state control of your property. But in a nice way. The only difference with the policial parties is how they do it. A licence to work, licence to drive your car, licence to manage your property, requirement to pay three levels of government taxes for the same services, a Public service that treats people with comptemt, Politians with agenda of social climbing,and self interests, sell out to foreign interests and multnationals…
What ever you vote, you are still getting the same policys, lies and state control of your property. But in a nice way. The only difference with the policial parties is how they do it. A licence to work, licence to drive your car, licence to manage your property, requirement to pay three levels of government taxes for the same services, a Public service that treats people with comptemt, Politians with agenda of social climbing,and self interests, sell out to foreign interests and multnationals eg USA, China, and the create acts that are against the Constution. So its your move. From what I understand, but c…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-03-22:3646443:Comment:132692011-03-22T17:34:36.241ZJoannhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JoannVergeer
<p>From what I understand, but correct me if this is wrong.... that the contempt charges are precedent in this country. I would imagine it will be up to the Opposition to determine what action is forecoming. I have no idea if the G.G. would be part of this mess or not.</p>
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<p>The world is watching to see what happens. Strong leadership.... from someone please.... is needed now. Much is at stake. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>If Canada shows contempt to its own citizens... are they capable of…</p>
<p>From what I understand, but correct me if this is wrong.... that the contempt charges are precedent in this country. I would imagine it will be up to the Opposition to determine what action is forecoming. I have no idea if the G.G. would be part of this mess or not.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The world is watching to see what happens. Strong leadership.... from someone please.... is needed now. Much is at stake. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>If Canada shows contempt to its own citizens... are they capable of showing contempt to other nations?</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p><cite>Joe Dales said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/federal-budget-do-you-want-an#3646443Comment13171"><div><p>Hi Joann,</p>
<p>I don't disagree with your point regarding contempt.</p>
<p>I have only been half watching this last political fiasco.</p>
<p>In the past, has every government in contempt fallen and called an election?</p>
<p>Just wondering about precedents and is an election a foregone conclusion irregardless of the budget?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Joe</p>
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</blockquote> Hi Joann,
I don't disagree wi…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-03-22:3646443:Comment:131712011-03-22T16:58:53.009ZJoe Daleshttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JoeDales
<p>Hi Joann,</p>
<p>I don't disagree with your point regarding contempt.</p>
<p>I have only been half watching this last political fiasco.</p>
<p>In the past, has every government in contempt fallen and called an election?</p>
<p>Just wondering about precedents and is an election a foregone conclusion irregardless of the budget?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Joe</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Hi Joann,</p>
<p>I don't disagree with your point regarding contempt.</p>
<p>I have only been half watching this last political fiasco.</p>
<p>In the past, has every government in contempt fallen and called an election?</p>
<p>Just wondering about precedents and is an election a foregone conclusion irregardless of the budget?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Joe</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p> Everyone I speak to says the…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-03-22:3646443:Comment:132682011-03-22T16:43:41.250ZJoannhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JoannVergeer
<p>Everyone I speak to says the same thing but there is a serious matter that needs to be addressed.</p>
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<p>The sitting government is in contempt. Contempt is defined as: <i><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>An act of deliberate disobedience or disregard for the laws, regulations, or decorum of a public authority, such as a court or legislative body</strong></span>.</i></p>
<p>Individuals may be cited for contempt when they disobey an order, fail to comply with a…</p>
<p>Everyone I speak to says the same thing but there is a serious matter that needs to be addressed.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The sitting government is in contempt. Contempt is defined as: <i><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>An act of deliberate disobedience or disregard for the laws, regulations, or decorum of a public authority, such as a court or legislative body</strong></span>.</i></p>
<p>Individuals may be cited for contempt when they disobey an order, fail to comply with a request, <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em><strong>tamper with documents,</strong></em> <em><strong>withhold evidence</strong></em></span>, interrupt proceedings through their actions or words, or otherwise defy a public authority or hold it up to ridicule and disrespect.</p>
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<p>It is serious and if the Royal Opposition does not deal with the matter effectively, we have a ruling party that could not be described as democratic but more as a <b>totalitarian rule</b>.</p>
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<p>I do not think people <em>WANT</em> an election.... the question is: do we <em><strong>NEED</strong></em> an election with the contempt charges?</p>
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<p>If the people of Canada accept contempt from our elected officials then.. by all means... we do not <em><strong>NEED</strong></em> an election. </p>
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<p>Our international reputation will suffer as a result.</p>
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<p><br/><cite>Joe Dales said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/federal-budget-do-you-want-an#3646443Comment13169"><div><p>I agree Joann "What a mess."</p>
<p>I have talked to 3 or 4 people this morning and everyone thinks it will be a big waste of time and money right now.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I heard $400 Million is what is it likely to cost for a Federal Election....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if the NDP want an election or not.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Joe</p>
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</blockquote> I agree Joann "What a mess."…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-03-22:3646443:Comment:131692011-03-22T16:15:35.354ZJoe Daleshttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JoeDales
<p>I agree Joann "What a mess."</p>
<p>I have talked to 3 or 4 people this morning and everyone thinks it will be a big waste of time and money right now.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I heard $400 Million is what is it likely to cost for a Federal Election....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if the NDP want an election or not.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Joe</p>
<p>I agree Joann "What a mess."</p>
<p>I have talked to 3 or 4 people this morning and everyone thinks it will be a big waste of time and money right now.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I heard $400 Million is what is it likely to cost for a Federal Election....</p>
<p> </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if the NDP want an election or not.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Joe</p> If there were to be a late sp…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-03-22:3646443:Comment:132652011-03-22T13:11:55.410ZJoannhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JoannVergeer
<p>If there were to be a late spring election, I would hazard to guess it would have the lowest voter turn-out EVER. Voters have been constantly threatened with an election since '06 and now are completely <span><span id="hotword"><span id="hotword" style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;">obliviou</span></span></span>s to political chatter.</p>
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<p>Voters would stay home in droves. There is little confidence in the government showing true leadership and in the same token…</p>
<p>If there were to be a late spring election, I would hazard to guess it would have the lowest voter turn-out EVER. Voters have been constantly threatened with an election since '06 and now are completely <span><span id="hotword"><span style="cursor: default; background-color: transparent;" id="hotword">obliviou</span></span></span>s to political chatter.</p>
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<p>Voters would stay home in droves. There is little confidence in the government showing true leadership and in the same token there does not appear to be any viable alternative.</p>
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<p>Having said that.... the people that will go to the polls and the die-hard entrenched party supporters.</p>
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<p>Then it will rest with the die-hards with a question of supporting a party that shows contempt for our system.</p>
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<p>The government has been boxed into a corner. The Royal Opposition must bring down a government that is contempt. It they do not, the opposition will send a message that contempt of our governing system is acceptable.</p>
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<p>What a mess. It will be a long drawn out nasty election with another minority governing party... albeit... different from the one we have today...... that is my personal opinion. :)</p>