Prepare for the Food Inc. Onslaught....Movie to be broadcast on PBS and online. What can be done to tell agriculture's side of the story? - Ontario Agriculture2024-03-29T06:38:35Zhttps://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/prepare-for-the-food-inc?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A4378&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHey Joe
That video won't pla…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-04-02:3646443:Comment:43882010-04-02T15:50:49.000ZGranthttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Grant
Hey Joe<br />
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That video won't play for me. But I can imagine it has ominous music, and a dramatic voice over - which is unfortunetly how these things get sold. I would just ingore all that claptrap.<br />
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Again I am not suggesting the movie is perfect, far from it. I just don't think it is anything to be afraid of, and in fact I think there is some stuff in there that helps get a positive message across from farmers. Like most movies, books, magazine articles it has an agenda, but often we see the exact…
Hey Joe<br />
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That video won't play for me. But I can imagine it has ominous music, and a dramatic voice over - which is unfortunetly how these things get sold. I would just ingore all that claptrap.<br />
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Again I am not suggesting the movie is perfect, far from it. I just don't think it is anything to be afraid of, and in fact I think there is some stuff in there that helps get a positive message across from farmers. Like most movies, books, magazine articles it has an agenda, but often we see the exact opposite problem when real problems in agriculture are glossed over so we can have the 'smiling, happy people' message - like those recent FCC commercials.<br />
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If you are near Goderich there is a showing of Food Inc on April 15th at the Park Theartre at 7:30 pm. It is being shown in order to show what Canadian farmers and processors are having to compete against (think illegal, low paid, immigrant workers who are essentially indentured servants) and also to just get a conversation started about what we need to do in Ontario to make sure we have a viable, successful and healthy farm economy and sector.<br />
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<cite>Joe Dales said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/prepare-for-the-food-inc#3646443Comment4378"><div>Hi Grant:<br/><br/>You have some good points....I have not seen Food Inc. I plan to rent it and watch in soon.<br/><br/>I am reacting to the amount of PR I get and see from the consumer groups.<br/><br/>Here is the Food Inc. trailer I saw and it looks pretty dramatic.....<br/><br/><br/><br/><br/><embed allowscriptaccess="never"></embed>
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</blockquote> Have you watched the movie?…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-04-02:3646443:Comment:43872010-04-02T15:38:15.000ZGranthttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Grant
Have you watched the movie?<br />
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Please tell me how the conventional grain farmer they talk to, who has held leadership postions in mainstream ag organizations in the States, is not representative. I am sure he is a member of the NRA, votes Republican and listens to country music. He is about as mainstream as it gets. The other main guy is not mainstream, and I certainly don't buy all of what he is selling, but he still makes good points about how out of whack food saftey regulations are. A lesson…
Have you watched the movie?<br />
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Please tell me how the conventional grain farmer they talk to, who has held leadership postions in mainstream ag organizations in the States, is not representative. I am sure he is a member of the NRA, votes Republican and listens to country music. He is about as mainstream as it gets. The other main guy is not mainstream, and I certainly don't buy all of what he is selling, but he still makes good points about how out of whack food saftey regulations are. A lesson we are learning with what is happening to small abattiors in Ontario right now and what it will do to many livestock farmers who make their living, or try to, by selling directly to consumers or by selling to the local abattior so they sell local meat to local consumers.<br />
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The woman chicken farmer seems pretty mainstream too, although you can't compare poultry across the borders due to the obvious fact of supply management.<br />
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And how you can make a claim about 99% of farmers in North America is beyond me. The farm community is so diverse, spread across so many commodities and doing so many different things you couldn't find 99% agreement on anything beyond maybe prices are too low, the government doesn't care, or things like that.<br />
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All I can say is watch the movie- it isn't perfect, but it is a way to open the conversation with a group of people that could be allies, because we sure know the government isn't listening to farmers.<br />
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<cite>RealAgriculture.com said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/prepare-for-the-food-inc#3646443Comment4381"><div>It has nothing to with having something to hide. It has everything to do with the fact the movie does not represent the realities of what is happening on 99% of the farms in North America.<br/><br/></div>
</blockquote> It has nothing to with having…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-04-02:3646443:Comment:43812010-04-02T05:52:14.000ZRealAgriculture.comhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/realagriculture
It has nothing to with having something to hide. It has everything to do with the fact the movie does not represent the realities of what is happening on 99% of the farms in North America.<br />
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<cite>Grant said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/prepare-for-the-food-inc#3646443Comment4358"><div>Why in the world you would want to support the American agriculture system with its use of illegal immigrants with no labour standards, terrible environmental record and many of the…</div>
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It has nothing to with having something to hide. It has everything to do with the fact the movie does not represent the realities of what is happening on 99% of the farms in North America.<br />
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<cite>Grant said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/prepare-for-the-food-inc#3646443Comment4358"><div>Why in the world you would want to support the American agriculture system with its use of illegal immigrants with no labour standards, terrible environmental record and many of the other things the American system is steeped in is beyond me.<br/> <br/>
I've actually watched the movie - twice now, and there is lots of good stuff in it that shows what Canadian farmers are competing against. As well there are lots and lots of American farmers and farm organizations that think the movie is at least worth seeing, especially around the way some of the agri-business giants treat every day American farmers. It is far from a perfect movie and it does rely on sterotypes and sensationalism from time to time. But the parts of the movie that are good, make up for some of that, especially when they talk to some rather large grain farmers and the section on illegal immigrant labour and how the American system rewards and protects companies.<br/>
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It is worth a watch, and the way to deal with it is to talk about the realities in Canada, not be defensive like farmers have something to hide.</div>
</blockquote> Hi Grant:
You have some good…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-04-02:3646443:Comment:43782010-04-02T04:06:39.000ZJoe Daleshttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JoeDales
Hi Grant:<br />
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You have some good points....I have not seen Food Inc. I plan to rent it and watch in soon.<br />
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I am reacting to the amount of PR I get and see from the consumer groups.<br />
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Here is the Food Inc. trailer I saw and it looks pretty…
Hi Grant:<br />
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You have some good points....I have not seen Food Inc. I plan to rent it and watch in soon.<br />
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I am reacting to the amount of PR I get and see from the consumer groups.<br />
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Here is the Food Inc. trailer I saw and it looks pretty dramatic.....<br />
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<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5eKYyD14d_0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_detailpage&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="never"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5eKYyD14d_0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_detailpage&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="never" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> I would call this movie very…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-04-01:3646443:Comment:43712010-04-01T22:13:10.000ZGranthttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Grant
I would call this movie very pro-farmer. Anti-agri-business conglomerates and questioning government's priorities sure, but very pro-farmer. The overall message is that farmers are very important and needed and that the system is working against their interests. I would encourage people to actually watch the movie before condeming it. As I said, many independent American farm organizations, and farmers by themselves, support this movie, if not every single line in it. It is not perfect, but is…
I would call this movie very pro-farmer. Anti-agri-business conglomerates and questioning government's priorities sure, but very pro-farmer. The overall message is that farmers are very important and needed and that the system is working against their interests. I would encourage people to actually watch the movie before condeming it. As I said, many independent American farm organizations, and farmers by themselves, support this movie, if not every single line in it. It is not perfect, but is a good place to start to begin a discussion with the eaters of the food we grow.<br />
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I watched a movie on the Holland Marsh by the way- great movie called growing season (I think), but that sounds like it was a different one?<br />
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We have a proud story to tell. But if we are embarrassed, scared, whatever, to tell all of it, we need to ponder whether that part of the story is one we need to think about. Afterall this is a two way relationship between eater and farmer and we need to listen to our consumers concerns too- even if they are misguided or based on bad information so we can talk to them about the reality. Hummm. What IS agriculture's…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-04-01:3646443:Comment:43702010-04-01T20:49:15.000ZJohn Schwartzentruberhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/burnt
Hummm. What IS agriculture's side of the story?
Hummm. What IS agriculture's side of the story? I realize this movie is Ameri…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-04-01:3646443:Comment:43622010-04-01T12:51:37.000ZAvia Eekhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/AviaEek
I realize this movie is American based, but Canadian Farmers face many similar challenges that our neighbours face. There are too many anti-ag groups who just don't understand, or are misinformed about how Canadian Farmers produce the food we all eat. My own personal belief is that we (Farmers) need to get more involved with the consumer. They believe what they are told by other non-farming people, and the consumer WANTS to know about their food! My husband and I are members of the Holland…
I realize this movie is American based, but Canadian Farmers face many similar challenges that our neighbours face. There are too many anti-ag groups who just don't understand, or are misinformed about how Canadian Farmers produce the food we all eat. My own personal belief is that we (Farmers) need to get more involved with the consumer. They believe what they are told by other non-farming people, and the consumer WANTS to know about their food! My husband and I are members of the Holland Marsh Growers' Association. Last year the HMGA decided we needed to tell the Farmers' story. Last Fall a camera crew visited several farms in the Holland Marsh and surrounding area during harvest. As a result of all of these "live" interviews a wonderful show "Fresh Life" was put together. We saw the first show this past Sunday--WOW--informative, entertaining and most of all REAL. Watch April 4/10 at 1:30 p.m. on SUN TV. The Holland Marsh starts and ends the show, and is featured in the 13 episodes. There is talk of a second season. That's how the ag community responds. Farmers are stewards of the land, we follow very strict rules and regulations, which is what allows us the distinction of having the safest produce in the world. We know what we do is safe, healthy and nutritious. Let's be proud of what we do "Agriculture is Life". Why in the world you would wa…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-31:3646443:Comment:43582010-03-31T20:38:24.000ZGranthttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Grant
Why in the world you would want to support the American agriculture system with its use of illegal immigrants with no labour standards, terrible environmental record and many of the other things the American system is steeped in is beyond me.<br />
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I've actually watched the movie - twice now, and there is lots of good stuff in it that shows what Canadian farmers are competing against. As well there are lots and lots of American farmers and farm organizations that think the movie is at least worth…
Why in the world you would want to support the American agriculture system with its use of illegal immigrants with no labour standards, terrible environmental record and many of the other things the American system is steeped in is beyond me.<br />
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I've actually watched the movie - twice now, and there is lots of good stuff in it that shows what Canadian farmers are competing against. As well there are lots and lots of American farmers and farm organizations that think the movie is at least worth seeing, especially around the way some of the agri-business giants treat every day American farmers. It is far from a perfect movie and it does rely on sterotypes and sensationalism from time to time. But the parts of the movie that are good, make up for some of that, especially when they talk to some rather large grain farmers and the section on illegal immigrant labour and how the American system rewards and protects companies.<br />
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It is worth a watch, and the way to deal with it is to talk about the realities in Canada, not be defensive like farmers have something to hide.