Surplus farm houses - Ontario Agriculture2024-03-29T14:51:32Zhttps://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/surplus-farm-houses?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A1462&feed=yes&xn_auth=nowe are a single parent family…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-12-13:3646443:Comment:295742011-12-13T04:55:32.899ZRobert Hillmanhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/RobertHillman
<p>we are a single parent family dad 45 daughter 24 and son 16 all we ever wanted was a hundred acer farm</p>
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<p>who helps ?? we have no family banks wont lend they are to busy bailing out gm and chrysler</p>
<p>and the bankster gangster friends of the federal reserve fraud how about the other farmers around here</p>
<p>NO THEY OWN ten farms rent out the houses for FIVE HUNDRED A MONTH THATS FIVE GRAND A MONTH INCOME</p>
<p>me and my son and daughter …</p>
<p>we are a single parent family dad 45 daughter 24 and son 16 all we ever wanted was a hundred acer farm</p>
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<p>who helps ?? we have no family banks wont lend they are to busy bailing out gm and chrysler</p>
<p>and the bankster gangster friends of the federal reserve fraud how about the other farmers around here</p>
<p>NO THEY OWN ten farms rent out the houses for FIVE HUNDRED A MONTH THATS FIVE GRAND A MONTH INCOME</p>
<p>me and my son and daughter lived on 9000 last year YEAH I KNOW we are lazy right</p>
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<p>thats why i cut FIFTY SEVEN BUSH CORD OF HARD WOOD FOR A 54 year old woman so she has enough wood for the next ten years </p>
<p>and we are on welfare right?? wrong we live on the child tax credit and a 200 dollar a month</p>
<p> c p disability payment for my son cause his mother was a schezophrenic</p>
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<p>yeah we want to farm nice dream oprah gets 300 million and year</p>
<p>and people think the government gives a dam WILL SOMEONE GIVE THEIR HEADS A SHAKE</p>
<p>there are MULTI MILLIONAIRES that wouldnt help us there are idiots that build seven MILLION DOLLAR HOMES all we wanted was a one hundred and fifty grand hundred acer farm</p>
<p>YOU KNOW HOW MANY IDIOT farmers i hear say YOU CANT make a living on that</p>
<p>REALLY i cant make 25 thousand clear a year have a garden heat with wood GIVE ME A BREAK</p>
<p>we live on 9000 and have NOTHING YOU LIVE ON 90 thousand and say your poor</p>
<p>RIGHT ok so start yelling and screaming and disagree with me GOD I AM USED TO IT</p>
<p>when my children were 7 4 2 and three days old I was asked in church a couple weeks after my son was born SO ROBERT are you working yet????????????? i should have answered that man then</p>
<p>chuck you farlie or told him he sure the heck didnt know MUCKING FUCH about raising children</p>
<p>so heres life for you big boys smart men MY daughter who is not a druggy NOT a drunk not a party girl</p>
<p>24 does not date LOVES GOD hates lying churches LIVES IN CANADA has zero HOPE for a life</p>
<p>because she was raised by a LOSER SINGLEDAD that stayed and raised them and what do we get</p>
<p>IN THIS DAM COUNTRY by our so called neighbours and friends JUDGEMENT nothing but god dam judgment so i have finally come to a conclusion in ontario canada </p>
<p>YES THE THREE OF US ARE NOTHING BUT LAZY SCUM we dont want to work we want to be a wallmart where we can sell canadian flags MADE IN PUCKING CHINA</p>
<p> </p> there are right tenents t…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-12-13:3646443:Comment:294752011-12-13T00:30:38.116ZRobert Hillmanhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/RobertHillman
<p>there are right tenents there are some that spend their own money to</p>
<p>build a new chimney INSTALL NEW WINDOWS re do the bathroom</p>
<p>etc</p>
<p>the problem is MOST THAT RENT THE DAM HOMES in the country WANT THEIR rent money</p>
<p>and dont spend a dam dime on the house</p>
<p>THERE IS TWO HOUSES ON MY ROAD ALONE NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM and the rich dick</p>
<p>takes down the hydro and lets them sit empty <br></br>SELFISH SELF RIGHTEOUS IDIOTs woe…</p>
<p>there are right tenents there are some that spend their own money to</p>
<p>build a new chimney INSTALL NEW WINDOWS re do the bathroom</p>
<p>etc</p>
<p>the problem is MOST THAT RENT THE DAM HOMES in the country WANT THEIR rent money</p>
<p>and dont spend a dam dime on the house</p>
<p>THERE IS TWO HOUSES ON MY ROAD ALONE NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM and the rich dick</p>
<p>takes down the hydro and lets them sit empty <br/>SELFISH SELF RIGHTEOUS IDIOTs woe unto them that add house to house and farm to farm</p>
<p>UNITL THEY LIVE ALONE IN THE LAND</p>
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<p><br/><br/><cite>Robert Wood said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/surplus-farm-houses?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A29669#3646443Comment3842"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">I have several farm houses that I rent out and can see the merits of both sides of this argument. I do not think I want to sell mine . I would like to rent them out to some one that would take care of them. I am not interested in making a lot of money from them I would just like to breakeven, and have my building maintained.As renters come and go the the building seems to decline. I can not believe there are not people out there that would fulfill this goal, but they seem to be few and far between in my experience. It would be nice to be able to be to participate in some program for the distressed or under privileged that would help ensure payment and find the right tenants.<br/><br/>Not so happy landlord</div>
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</blockquote> i have lived in logan townsh…tag:ontag.farms.com,2011-12-13:3646443:Comment:296692011-12-13T00:28:02.944ZRobert Hillmanhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/RobertHillman
<p>i have lived in logan township for 22 years in a rented house</p>
<p>no one gives a crap about us We could grow enough food to feed one hundred families at half what they would pay at the grocey store but they are to rich to give a dam and stop</p>
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<p>THEY hate us because we speak the truth about money and self righteous pricks that have it</p>
<p>WE WORK HARD we have lived in the same place for 22 years</p>
<p>we want to farm a hundred acers BUT OUR bank load…</p>
<p>i have lived in logan township for 22 years in a rented house</p>
<p>no one gives a crap about us We could grow enough food to feed one hundred families at half what they would pay at the grocey store but they are to rich to give a dam and stop</p>
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<p>THEY hate us because we speak the truth about money and self righteous pricks that have it</p>
<p>WE WORK HARD we have lived in the same place for 22 years</p>
<p>we want to farm a hundred acers BUT OUR bank load went to gm chrysler and the banks</p>
<p>WHEN INTEREST rates in canada go to 15 percent again and they will I cant wait till all these MILLIONAIRE debt farmers WHO GOT everything handed to them either from mommy and daddy or the banks lose it all</p>
<p>then you can be like us and told to get a job at WALLMART selling canadian flags MADE IF FRICKING CHINA</p>
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<p>I VOTE allow the people that have lived in the country to have five acers and GROW FOOD</p>
<p>then tell the rich idiots in the neighbourhood TO BUY LOCAL instead of mexico</p>
<p> </p> I have several farm houses th…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-02-12:3646443:Comment:38422010-02-12T13:34:58.000ZRobert Woodhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/RobertWood
I have several farm houses that I rent out and can see the merits of both sides of this argument. I do not think I want to sell mine . I would like to rent them out to some one that would take care of them. I am not interested in making a lot of money from them I would just like to breakeven, and have my building maintained.As renters come and go the the building seems to decline. I can not believe there are not people out there that would fulfill this goal, but they seem to be few and far…
I have several farm houses that I rent out and can see the merits of both sides of this argument. I do not think I want to sell mine . I would like to rent them out to some one that would take care of them. I am not interested in making a lot of money from them I would just like to breakeven, and have my building maintained.As renters come and go the the building seems to decline. I can not believe there are not people out there that would fulfill this goal, but they seem to be few and far between in my experience. It would be nice to be able to be to participate in some program for the distressed or under privileged that would help ensure payment and find the right tenants.<br />
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Not so happy landlord That common sence may lead to…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-02-05:3646443:Comment:37622010-02-05T13:28:08.000Zrein minnemahttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/reinminnema732
That common sence may lead to the right direction as it did in the past
That common sence may lead to the right direction as it did in the past The other day I recieved noti…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-02-03:3646443:Comment:37542010-02-03T14:01:55.000ZBrent Roycehttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/BrentRoyce
The other day I recieved notice that 2 municipality's within our county are planning on fighting our county bylaw of no surplus farm houses in the county by taking it to the OMB. it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with severing of a farm house. I believe that dividing up a county is far more complicated. If you start with surplus farm houses and move on to other things, you eventually end up with a broken official plan that puts township against township. In this day of larger farms and…
The other day I recieved notice that 2 municipality's within our county are planning on fighting our county bylaw of no surplus farm houses in the county by taking it to the OMB. it doesn't matter if you agree or disagree with severing of a farm house. I believe that dividing up a county is far more complicated. If you start with surplus farm houses and move on to other things, you eventually end up with a broken official plan that puts township against township. In this day of larger farms and fewer rural people you need to keep consitency amongst the county. We have moved to bigger municipalitys and that will continue to happen perhaps on day everything will be run at the county level. I believe that the county should remain as one to make it fair for everyone. Times and society are changin…tag:ontag.farms.com,2009-11-06:3646443:Comment:20832009-11-06T12:19:21.000Zrein minnemahttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/reinminnema
Times and society are changing, there are a lot more issues we need to focus on.<br />
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<cite>Wayne Black said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/surplus-farm-houses?id=3646443%3ATopic%3A1409&page=2#3646443Comment2064"><div>Thank you Rein - you are correct about changing the zoning and losing agricultural freedom. I was thinking about that lease option. It would give the retiree more cash for their retirement to invest as they see fit and less worry about property…</div>
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Times and society are changing, there are a lot more issues we need to focus on.<br />
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<cite>Wayne Black said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/surplus-farm-houses?id=3646443%3ATopic%3A1409&page=2#3646443Comment2064"><div>Thank you Rein - you are correct about changing the zoning and losing agricultural freedom. I was thinking about that lease option. It would give the retiree more cash for their retirement to invest as they see fit and less worry about property taxes.<br/> Also - on the retiree thing - it has been proven that a farmer who severes a "retirement" property from their farm use that residence for an average of five (5) years. Locally we have seen it used less than 5 years. House or trailer removed in 6 years.<br/>
Yeah - that is a huge gain for society...???<br/>
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<cite>rein minnema said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/surplus-farm-houses?page=2&commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A2063&x=1#3646443Comment2063"><div>Surplus farm dwellings today are coming from the purchase of a farm property with a house on it.<br/> A lifetime lease should be given if the seller has the need to retire on the property. The change in zoning from agriculture to whatever is where we loose our agriculture freedom. <br/></div>
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</blockquote> Since when is creating reside…tag:ontag.farms.com,2009-11-05:3646443:Comment:20752009-11-05T14:50:40.000ZWayne Blackhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/WayneKBlack
Since when is creating residential areas in Agriculturally Zoned lands considered agricultural use? You stated it yourself "Farmers have the ancient right to have a dwelling on farm property so to have shelter on the property he possesses. When an additional dwelling is acquired it is deemed "surplus" and does not conform to agricultural use therefore the farmer has the right to dispose of items that are not agricultural to maintain the spirit of the Crown contract."<br />
So when you have a house on…
Since when is creating residential areas in Agriculturally Zoned lands considered agricultural use? You stated it yourself "Farmers have the ancient right to have a dwelling on farm property so to have shelter on the property he possesses. When an additional dwelling is acquired it is deemed "surplus" and does not conform to agricultural use therefore the farmer has the right to dispose of items that are not agricultural to maintain the spirit of the Crown contract."<br />
So when you have a house on a farm - it is for the farm use. When you have a severed house - it is no longer farm use and therefore creating a non-agricultural zone in a farming area and therefore in effect eliminating a farm use product. Yes a dwelling on a farm property - I agree. So when a new farmer buys the severed farmland - he has no house! he can not build a house on that remaining property. So you would suggest that the new owner of the bare land has a right to build a house, has the right to severe it once "it" becomes surplus.. and carry on until it is now "urban development".<br />
You are suggesting it is okay to continue to severe off lots as the owner retires, or wants to remain on the farm. It is a "societial issue" that you suggest. So where do you draw the line? When do you stop the severances once you start them. Because you are stating that as an owner of farmland, I have a right to build a house and I have a right to severe it off once it becomes surplus - whether a house has been severed off yet or not. When are you going to stop it before it becomes urban development? It has already happened in a Township locally where a farmer - yes a true farmer - went around and bought farmland with a house on it. He then sold off the house as a severed lot, turned around and sold the bare land. ASAP he went and did it again. Around <b>4 - 6 farms he did this with</b> before the township stopped him with a bylaw stating no surplus farmhouses to be severed.<br />
Farmers have the right to use the land for agriculture - as you stated "for food production". Severing the farmland for lot creation is land development - not "food production".<br />
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<cite>Joann said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/surplus-farm-houses?page=2&commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A2067&x=1#3646443Comment2066"><div>True. But the land grants are about and for agriculture.<br/> What that means is farmers working in conjunction with Mother Nature for food production by valid contract conditions.
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Farmers have the ancient right to have a dwelling on farm property so to have shelter on the property he possesses. When an additional dwelling is acquired it is deemed "surplus" and does not conform to agricultural use therefore the farmer has the right to dispose of items that are not agricultural to maintain the spirit of the Crown contract.<br />
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Lot creation and the effects on land use planning is a societal issue. Farmers should not be the only members of society to bare the burden of such issues by being denied an element that is contrary to the original contract.<br />
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If society does not want surplus lot creation then society should compensate for the loss of farmers right to create and dispose of non-agricultural items on farmland.<br />
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A contract is a contract. It is time Mr. McGuinty respected the Crown contracts farmers possess.</div>
</blockquote> for those who need to retire…tag:ontag.farms.com,2009-11-05:3646443:Comment:20672009-11-05T13:01:13.000Zrein minnemahttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/reinminnema
for those who need to retire on the property after the sale the only option should be given is a live time lease.
for those who need to retire on the property after the sale the only option should be given is a live time lease. Thank you Rein - you are corr…tag:ontag.farms.com,2009-11-05:3646443:Comment:20642009-11-05T03:20:04.000ZWayne Blackhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/WayneKBlack
Thank you Rein - you are correct about changing the zoning and losing agricultural freedom. I was thinking about that lease option. It would give the retiree more cash for their retirement to invest as they see fit and less worry about property taxes.<br />
Also - on the retiree thing - it has been proven that a farmer who severes a "retirement" property from their farm use that residence for an average of five (5) years. Locally we have seen it used less than 5 years. House or trailer removed in 6…
Thank you Rein - you are correct about changing the zoning and losing agricultural freedom. I was thinking about that lease option. It would give the retiree more cash for their retirement to invest as they see fit and less worry about property taxes.<br />
Also - on the retiree thing - it has been proven that a farmer who severes a "retirement" property from their farm use that residence for an average of five (5) years. Locally we have seen it used less than 5 years. House or trailer removed in 6 years.<br />
Yeah - that is a huge gain for society...???<br />
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<cite>rein minnema said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/surplus-farm-houses?page=2&commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A2063&x=1#3646443Comment2063"><div>Surplus farm dwellings today are coming from the purchase of a farm property with a house on it.<br/> A lifetime lease should be given if the seller has the need to retire on the property. The change in zoning from agriculture to whatever is where we loose our agriculture freedom.
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