TIME TO RALLY - Ontario Agriculture2024-03-28T13:37:45Zhttps://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A4081&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe real point is one of our…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-22:3646443:Comment:42312010-03-22T13:27:03.000ZTom Murrayhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/TomMurray
The real point is one of our leadership has to step up and tell us what needs to be done and tell it so that we get a huge majority on board. If not we might as well quit right now. I will support anything that is seen as helping the cause but I am sick of going to meetings that do not accomplish anything. The farm can no longer support my family so my wife and myself ( just like many others ) have found it necessary to work full time jobs and run the farm, how much time do we have to attend…
The real point is one of our leadership has to step up and tell us what needs to be done and tell it so that we get a huge majority on board. If not we might as well quit right now. I will support anything that is seen as helping the cause but I am sick of going to meetings that do not accomplish anything. The farm can no longer support my family so my wife and myself ( just like many others ) have found it necessary to work full time jobs and run the farm, how much time do we have to attend meetings that appear to be going no where......none Well the BCFA is the local le…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-21:3646443:Comment:42042010-03-21T01:57:48.000ZJohn Gillespiehttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JohnGillespie
Well the BCFA is the local level of OFA. We deal with local issues, and act as a voice for members to interact with the provincial OFA.<br />
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I do agree there are too many groups, and that the Quebec model works much better, getting there is going to be an interesting process but some parts are starting (Grain Farmers).<br />
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The real question is if we do decide to become more active, (and rallies are just one option, a very concentrated lobby on MP/MPP's may be just as effective, if say every MP/MPP had…
Well the BCFA is the local level of OFA. We deal with local issues, and act as a voice for members to interact with the provincial OFA.<br />
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I do agree there are too many groups, and that the Quebec model works much better, getting there is going to be an interesting process but some parts are starting (Grain Farmers).<br />
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The real question is if we do decide to become more active, (and rallies are just one option, a very concentrated lobby on MP/MPP's may be just as effective, if say every MP/MPP had a personal visit every day, and a call and fax every 15 minutes for 2 or 3 weeks) how many people are going to support us, and how many have just given up? I have to agree with both Tom…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-20:3646443:Comment:41942010-03-20T21:15:36.000Zlinda Hancockhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/lindaHancock
I have to agree with both Tom and roadrunner. Like who is the Bruce county federation of agriculture. When I start looking around there are way to many groups all trying to work towards helping agriculture but not unified enough with each other to make a difference. I have not been to my own cattlemens meeting for 15 years or more mainly to busy but I am going this year because everyones voice is important and now is the time to stand up or soon there will be nothing to stand up for.<br />
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I have to agree with both Tom and roadrunner. Like who is the Bruce county federation of agriculture. When I start looking around there are way to many groups all trying to work towards helping agriculture but not unified enough with each other to make a difference. I have not been to my own cattlemens meeting for 15 years or more mainly to busy but I am going this year because everyones voice is important and now is the time to stand up or soon there will be nothing to stand up for.<br />
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<cite>Tom Murray said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A4193&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3646443Comment4193"><div>Do you think that there might be to many orginizations. I belong to several and the same message is being put out but like you say not enough people coming forward at each groups meetings. Maybe we need less groups working for us in order to have a united voice. I wonder if one orginization stepped up and really started to push how many people would come out. I feel most people do not bother because they see it is a slow process and of little value. One load group seems to work in places in Europe as well as in Quebec.<br/><br/><cite>John Gillespie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally?id=3646443%3ATopic%3A3997&page=2#3646443Comment4190"><div>RoadRunner<br/><br/>I see you asking where the OFA is and why they have not been organizing rallies. As a vice president in the Bruce County federation of Agriculture I am going to turn the question around and ask where have the members been? OFA has been asking for the RMP and other programs and changes. We have not been getting much response from Government to our requests. We know things have to change BUT we are not seeing much from our members. Last fall at our county annual meeting ( with almost 1400 members in the county) we had 70 people out, about 1/2 were directors and spouses, plus media and politicians, hardly any regular members. There were NO resolutions presented for us to do anything different and I think the hog and beef sectors were in trouble last fall too. We always make our monthly board meetings open to members, and we never have any come. If you want to push OFA to do more you have to show up. Go to your county meeting and ask them to do more. Better yet take 25 of your neighbours with you. If 5 or 6 regional directors go to the next OFA board meeting and say they each had 50 or 100 members out to the last county board meetings demanding rallies/protests etc then more is likely to happen.<br/><br/>The leadership of OFA can't do everything for the members without some help. Our county can't even fill all the township director chairs, and most of us have off farm work besides, so we need more help. If you want to provide it, we will accept.</div>
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</blockquote> Do you think that there might…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-20:3646443:Comment:41932010-03-20T20:52:18.000ZTom Murrayhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/TomMurray
Do you think that there might be to many orginizations. I belong to several and the same message is being put out but like you say not enough people coming forward at each groups meetings. Maybe we need less groups working for us in order to have a united voice. I wonder if one orginization stepped up and really started to push how many people would come out. I feel most people do not bother because they see it is a slow process and of little value. One load group seems to work in places in…
Do you think that there might be to many orginizations. I belong to several and the same message is being put out but like you say not enough people coming forward at each groups meetings. Maybe we need less groups working for us in order to have a united voice. I wonder if one orginization stepped up and really started to push how many people would come out. I feel most people do not bother because they see it is a slow process and of little value. One load group seems to work in places in Europe as well as in Quebec.<br />
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<cite>John Gillespie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally?id=3646443%3ATopic%3A3997&page=2#3646443Comment4190"><div>RoadRunner<br/><br/>I see you asking where the OFA is and why they have not been organizing rallies. As a vice president in the Bruce County federation of Agriculture I am going to turn the question around and ask where have the members been? OFA has been asking for the RMP and other programs and changes. We have not been getting much response from Government to our requests. We know things have to change BUT we are not seeing much from our members. Last fall at our county annual meeting ( with almost 1400 members in the county) we had 70 people out, about 1/2 were directors and spouses, plus media and politicians, hardly any regular members. There were NO resolutions presented for us to do anything different and I think the hog and beef sectors were in trouble last fall too. We always make our monthly board meetings open to members, and we never have any come. If you want to push OFA to do more you have to show up. Go to your county meeting and ask them to do more. Better yet take 25 of your neighbours with you. If 5 or 6 regional directors go to the next OFA board meeting and say they each had 50 or 100 members out to the last county board meetings demanding rallies/protests etc then more is likely to happen.<br/><br/>The leadership of OFA can't do everything for the members without some help. Our county can't even fill all the township director chairs, and most of us have off farm work besides, so we need more help. If you want to provide it, we will accept.</div>
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I see you asking…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-20:3646443:Comment:41902010-03-20T13:59:10.000ZJohn Gillespiehttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/JohnGillespie
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I see you asking where the OFA is and why they have not been organizing rallies. As a vice president in the Bruce County federation of Agriculture I am going to turn the question around and ask where have the members been? OFA has been asking for the RMP and other programs and changes. We have not been getting much response from Government to our requests. We know things have to change BUT we are not seeing much from our members. Last fall at our county annual meeting ( with almost…
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I see you asking where the OFA is and why they have not been organizing rallies. As a vice president in the Bruce County federation of Agriculture I am going to turn the question around and ask where have the members been? OFA has been asking for the RMP and other programs and changes. We have not been getting much response from Government to our requests. We know things have to change BUT we are not seeing much from our members. Last fall at our county annual meeting ( with almost 1400 members in the county) we had 70 people out, about 1/2 were directors and spouses, plus media and politicians, hardly any regular members. There were NO resolutions presented for us to do anything different and I think the hog and beef sectors were in trouble last fall too. We always make our monthly board meetings open to members, and we never have any come. If you want to push OFA to do more you have to show up. Go to your county meeting and ask them to do more. Better yet take 25 of your neighbours with you. If 5 or 6 regional directors go to the next OFA board meeting and say they each had 50 or 100 members out to the last county board meetings demanding rallies/protests etc then more is likely to happen.<br />
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The leadership of OFA can't do everything for the members without some help. Our county can't even fill all the township director chairs, and most of us have off farm work besides, so we need more help. If you want to provide it, we will accept. It is not wether we need to p…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-19:3646443:Comment:41822010-03-19T17:30:21.000ZTom Murrayhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/TomMurray
It is not wether we need to push them but how we push them. I do not think they are listening and understanding how bad things really are or they would be organizing something already.
It is not wether we need to push them but how we push them. I do not think they are listening and understanding how bad things really are or they would be organizing something already. To pull off a major rally, th…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-19:3646443:Comment:41812010-03-19T16:06:56.000ZRoadrunnerhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Roadrunner
To pull off a major rally, there needs to be more than a grass roots revolt....there needs to be organization and lots of communication...where are ofa and cfa on this? they have the time and ability...do we need to push them into action?
To pull off a major rally, there needs to be more than a grass roots revolt....there needs to be organization and lots of communication...where are ofa and cfa on this? they have the time and ability...do we need to push them into action? Tom Murray said:JoAnne Caughi…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-09:3646443:Comment:40942010-03-09T12:22:34.000Zberthttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/bert
<cite>Tom Murray said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally#3646443Comment4085"><div><cite>JoAnne Caughill said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally#3646443Comment4081"><div>I agree with John that it is the Provincial Government that needs to help us out right away to save this Industry. However I would not let the Federal Government off the hook so quickly. They have AgriStability which (even though Gerry thinks it…</div>
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<cite>Tom Murray said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally#3646443Comment4085"><div><cite>JoAnne Caughill said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/time-to-rally#3646443Comment4081"><div>I agree with John that it is the Provincial Government that needs to help us out right away to save this Industry. However I would not let the Federal Government off the hook so quickly. They have AgriStability which (even though Gerry thinks it does) IS NOT working for producers. His 80% satisfaction rating has to be many years old. They need to fix this program. Sheila Frasier, Auditor General has spoke severely against this program and it's ability to work as it should as outlined in the Farm Income Protection Act. We need to take Gerry to task on this program and make it stand up to their (Government's) own test of FIPA.<br/><br/>I think we need a MAJOR protest - and yes as pointed out in another email - it would be great if all Provinces could agree to protest together on the same dates. Anyone interested in this from other provinces can contact me through this chat forum. Let's work together.</div>
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</blockquote> What other ways are there to…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-09:3646443:Comment:40902010-03-09T04:16:06.000ZRoadrunnerhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Roadrunner
What other ways are there to generate the attention farmers need from the public and governments....<br />
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Peta and greenpeace etc do some major event that gains them some huge awareness with limited resources....<br />
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What good ideas do people have....
What other ways are there to generate the attention farmers need from the public and governments....<br />
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Peta and greenpeace etc do some major event that gains them some huge awareness with limited resources....<br />
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What good ideas do people have.... I think a rally invoving all…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-03-06:3646443:Comment:40862010-03-06T15:09:07.000ZTom Murrayhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/TomMurray
I think a rally invoving all provinces at their own legislative buildings and one in Ottawa is ideal but it is a massive undertaking. Our representitives at all levels are not doing their job. It is to late this year and I wonder why I did not think of it sooner but I wonder if a good start would be having everyone ask for a refund from thier farm orginization. We keep telling every one that nothing they are doing is working but they all are still collecting their paychecks and it is time we…
I think a rally invoving all provinces at their own legislative buildings and one in Ottawa is ideal but it is a massive undertaking. Our representitives at all levels are not doing their job. It is to late this year and I wonder why I did not think of it sooner but I wonder if a good start would be having everyone ask for a refund from thier farm orginization. We keep telling every one that nothing they are doing is working but they all are still collecting their paychecks and it is time we made them hurt like we are. I am on board to help with any rally and firmly believe that the ones that are suffering are the ones that are going to have to make the time and take the effort that is required to get our points accross or lay down and let agriculture in Canada die.