Where Has The Flavour Gone? - Ontario Agriculture2024-03-28T12:25:32Zhttps://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/where-has-the-flavour-gone?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A6498&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt is hard to compete Taste f…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-09-09:3646443:Comment:64982010-09-09T22:53:12.000ZRoadrunnerhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Roadrunner
It is hard to compete Taste for Taste with memories of meals/produce/onions in the past.....so the Good Old Days will likely never be beaten in this crazy world...<br />
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I do know that my Dad told me that during the Second World War, if they wanted fresh meat he had to go hunting and hopefully got a deer with the one bullet he had saved...rationing and they were poor on the farm. Only 70 years ago...<br />
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He also remembered the big treat at Christmas in the stocking was a navel orange from…
It is hard to compete Taste for Taste with memories of meals/produce/onions in the past.....so the Good Old Days will likely never be beaten in this crazy world...<br />
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I do know that my Dad told me that during the Second World War, if they wanted fresh meat he had to go hunting and hopefully got a deer with the one bullet he had saved...rationing and they were poor on the farm. Only 70 years ago...<br />
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He also remembered the big treat at Christmas in the stocking was a navel orange from Florida...they were a real treat...<br />
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I agree with you that fresh produce, picked from our large garden...ripened on the vine or fresh corn off the stalk and boiled is hard to beat....<br />
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I do think that maybe flavour is the price we pay for our abundance and variety of food at ridiculously low prices.<br />
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Good discussion.... Wouldn't it be wonderful if o…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-09-05:3646443:Comment:64552010-09-05T16:59:53.000Zfrances thurlowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/francesthurlow
Wouldn't it be wonderful if one of the grocery chains would open up a section of the produce counter for vegetables grown from "Heritage Sees" and "Tubers"? If nothing else it would be an exercise to see which produce appealed to the majority of shoppers, whether they be rural or urban. Because many of todays young people have no idea what the flavour of a particular item such as a tomato should taste like, they do not visit famers markets and road-side stands.<br />
Another classic example happened…
Wouldn't it be wonderful if one of the grocery chains would open up a section of the produce counter for vegetables grown from "Heritage Sees" and "Tubers"? If nothing else it would be an exercise to see which produce appealed to the majority of shoppers, whether they be rural or urban. Because many of todays young people have no idea what the flavour of a particular item such as a tomato should taste like, they do not visit famers markets and road-side stands.<br />
Another classic example happened this week, when I was invited out for lunch to a private home. The frustrated young lady who was preparing a salad finally said to us "Can anybody tell me how to peel this tomato"? She ended up peeling it as you would a potato. It was the only way the skin would come from the tomato. Yet another time this week, at a restaurant I ordered a hamburg with all the trimmings. There was a full slice of tomato on the meat,and in the centre of the slice was the hard green core so common with today's variety and typical of what is being offered in the stores. The onion, was so bland, I hardly knew it was an onion. No flavour, no smell. Am I correct, that a few years ago there was a movement to produce onions without their distinct aroma. There is nothing like the smell of a good onion to give one an appetite. So I still ask Where Has All The Flavour Gone"---Is it the very seed itself which has been modified---is it the soil that is depleted----is there any hope of returning to our wonderful foods once grown? I fear the answer is no. It's a big world and our farmers are competeing and having to produce and harvest foods at a faster rate and in greater quantity. I also add, that nobody should feel offended when their is criticism given for a good cause. I agree, a urban working man…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-09-05:3646443:Comment:64542010-09-05T13:42:32.000ZBristowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Bristow
I agree, a urban working man or woman would love to have the time and money to support the farmer and locally grown food. But its the nature of the beast. Convience Walmat provides that. Yes some farmers markets are cheaper in most cases, but are only avalible to the public on weekends, with people having to work on Saturday and the other parent minding the kids. Getting up at 5 or 6 o'clock to get the best and cheapest bargins wears a bit thin, when you have limited time for lesure. And don't…
I agree, a urban working man or woman would love to have the time and money to support the farmer and locally grown food. But its the nature of the beast. Convience Walmat provides that. Yes some farmers markets are cheaper in most cases, but are only avalible to the public on weekends, with people having to work on Saturday and the other parent minding the kids. Getting up at 5 or 6 o'clock to get the best and cheapest bargins wears a bit thin, when you have limited time for lesure. And don't Walmart know it.<br />
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<cite>That Guy said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/where-has-the-flavour-gone?commentId=3646443%3AComment%3A6451&xg_source=msg_com_forum#3646443Comment6451"><div>I think it is naive in the extreme to blame this all on urban people. I see lots of farmers shopping at Wal Mart contributing to the same system that devalues our work, buying their food at M&M and so on. This is not an urban/rural situation, but the way our society in general has evolved. Lots of farmers are as cut off from the food they eat- unless they are generalists growing livestock and crops, dairy, chicken and so on as many in urban areas. I have met lots of urban people who value our work more than some other farmers too. So we need to quit blaming the urbanites and look in the mirror sometimes too.<br/><br/><br/><cite>Joe Dales said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/where-has-the-flavour-gone#3646443Comment6307"><div>Have you visited some of the Farmers' Markets and talked to the farmers operating some of the stalls?<br/><br/>Many of them are growing some of the heritage varieties of vegetables and picking them the day before so they keep their flavours.<br/><br/>Many in our mostly urban society love the low price of food so the Walmart driven industrialization of food is not likely to end soon for the bulk of the market.<br/><br/>I do think if you do some searching, you can find some local food from some great local farmers.<br/><br/>Joe Dales</div>
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</blockquote> I think it is naive in the ex…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-09-05:3646443:Comment:64512010-09-05T01:49:17.000ZThat Guyhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/ThatGuy
I think it is naive in the extreme to blame this all on urban people. I see lots of farmers shopping at Wal Mart contributing to the same system that devalues our work, buying their food at M&M and so on. This is not an urban/rural situation, but the way our society in general has evolved. Lots of farmers are as cut off from the food they eat- unless they are generalists growing livestock and crops, dairy, chicken and so on as many in urban areas. I have met lots of urban people who value…
I think it is naive in the extreme to blame this all on urban people. I see lots of farmers shopping at Wal Mart contributing to the same system that devalues our work, buying their food at M&M and so on. This is not an urban/rural situation, but the way our society in general has evolved. Lots of farmers are as cut off from the food they eat- unless they are generalists growing livestock and crops, dairy, chicken and so on as many in urban areas. I have met lots of urban people who value our work more than some other farmers too. So we need to quit blaming the urbanites and look in the mirror sometimes too.<br />
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<cite>Joe Dales said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/where-has-the-flavour-gone#3646443Comment6307"><div>Have you visited some of the Farmers' Markets and talked to the farmers operating some of the stalls?<br/><br/>Many of them are growing some of the heritage varieties of vegetables and picking them the day before so they keep their flavours.<br/><br/>Many in our mostly urban society love the low price of food so the Walmart driven industrialization of food is not likely to end soon for the bulk of the market.<br/><br/>I do think if you do some searching, you can find some local food from some great local farmers.<br/><br/>Joe Dales</div>
</blockquote> I, too have noticed this. A d…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-09-03:3646443:Comment:64302010-09-03T14:43:32.000ZSean Hoegyhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/SeanHoegy
I, too have noticed this. A difference in taste from our own family garden to vegetables bought in our grocery store in town, or any other store for that matter. As stated, the onions from our garden really get my eyes flowing, and things like beans and carrots are very flavourful. This goes right accross the board with beats and potatoes as well as sweet corn. I think that the idea of time of harvest is a major factor, being that we have the ability and advantage to pick what we want when it…
I, too have noticed this. A difference in taste from our own family garden to vegetables bought in our grocery store in town, or any other store for that matter. As stated, the onions from our garden really get my eyes flowing, and things like beans and carrots are very flavourful. This goes right accross the board with beats and potatoes as well as sweet corn. I think that the idea of time of harvest is a major factor, being that we have the ability and advantage to pick what we want when it is ripe and eat it that night and shortly after. Another contributing factor could be the satisfaction of being able to produce from start to finish all these vegetables. So maybe a little psychological or subconcious reasoning? This way we know how much effort went into what we are eating and we are able to enjoy it that much more. Thank you Richard for your wo…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-08-30:3646443:Comment:63752010-08-30T21:04:10.000Zfrances thurlowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/francesthurlow
Thank you Richard for your wonderful web site and medical knowledge. What I complained about in my letter about our unflavourable foods is commonly voiced amongst many.<br />
Even at a store where I bought tomatoes this past week, I asked the clerk, what is wrong with the tomatoes. She answered me, saying she had eaten some the night before for dinner She also added her thoughts about them, and it was not complimentary.<br />
I am not complaining about this to be nasty. To my way of thinking, the type of…
Thank you Richard for your wonderful web site and medical knowledge. What I complained about in my letter about our unflavourable foods is commonly voiced amongst many.<br />
Even at a store where I bought tomatoes this past week, I asked the clerk, what is wrong with the tomatoes. She answered me, saying she had eaten some the night before for dinner She also added her thoughts about them, and it was not complimentary.<br />
I am not complaining about this to be nasty. To my way of thinking, the type of seed being used to grow the plants is not a good variety. Whatever they are, they are widely used. The tomatoes all have a yellow ring where they come off the stem. They are not ripe and even after setting for some time, do not improve "with age.".<br />
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to the variety or what could be done to improve on them. Have you considered another p…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-08-30:3646443:Comment:63732010-08-30T20:14:24.000ZRichard Hamiltonhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/RichardHamilton
Have you considered another possibility? Our taste buds change as we age.<br />
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"Like all the other cells in the body, those special sensory cells that make up the taste buds eventually wear out. As we age, the taste buds begin to disappear from the sides and roof of the mouth, leaving taste buds mostly on our tongue. The remaining taste buds eventually become less sensitive. Smoking and eating scalding liquids can damage them further. Our sense of smell also decreases as we get older, and smell and…
Have you considered another possibility? Our taste buds change as we age.<br />
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"Like all the other cells in the body, those special sensory cells that make up the taste buds eventually wear out. As we age, the taste buds begin to disappear from the sides and roof of the mouth, leaving taste buds mostly on our tongue. The remaining taste buds eventually become less sensitive. Smoking and eating scalding liquids can damage them further. Our sense of smell also decreases as we get older, and smell and taste are intimately linked."<br />
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<a href="http://www.care2.com/greenliving/do-your-taste-buds-change-as-you-get-older.html#" target="_blank">http://www.care2.com/greenliving/do-your-taste-buds-change-as-you-get-older.html#</a> Frances, the business world d…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-08-24:3646443:Comment:63162010-08-24T19:41:56.000ZBristowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/Bristow
Frances, the business world does not wait or cater for the concerns of the little guy. There is a reason or agenda behind every action they do. If enough people are heard which is a direct theat to profit, a person's position or authority then things change. The corprate world have had 100 years or more to develop their spin. Recyling, global warming, war on terror, the list goes on. Add the media and hollywood for more distraction and you can bullshit anyone your product is good for you. Just…
Frances, the business world does not wait or cater for the concerns of the little guy. There is a reason or agenda behind every action they do. If enough people are heard which is a direct theat to profit, a person's position or authority then things change. The corprate world have had 100 years or more to develop their spin. Recyling, global warming, war on terror, the list goes on. Add the media and hollywood for more distraction and you can bullshit anyone your product is good for you. Just add doubt. As you said the youth don't know the difference, which is fine by Wallmart. There are many many people wh…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-08-24:3646443:Comment:63112010-08-24T17:22:40.000Zfrances thurlowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/francesthurlow
There are many many people who do love the low prices in stores such as you named in your reply. Many living in cities and towns do not know what good food tastes like. We have a generation of young people who think for example those half ripe, tough- sknned tomatoes selling for low prices in chain sore groceries are the norm. Even worse is to see, USA produce selling cheaper than Ontario produce. It isn't difficult to guess where the majority are picking up fruits an veggies. .<br />
Yes, I do go to…
There are many many people who do love the low prices in stores such as you named in your reply. Many living in cities and towns do not know what good food tastes like. We have a generation of young people who think for example those half ripe, tough- sknned tomatoes selling for low prices in chain sore groceries are the norm. Even worse is to see, USA produce selling cheaper than Ontario produce. It isn't difficult to guess where the majority are picking up fruits an veggies. .<br />
Yes, I do go to farmers markets, when I can get to them. I also shop at a store specializing in local produce. After purchasing tomatoes I still ask Where Has The Flavour Gone? Joe Dales said:Have you visit…tag:ontag.farms.com,2010-08-24:3646443:Comment:63102010-08-24T16:18:54.000Zfrances thurlowhttps://ontag.farms.com/profile/francesthurlow
<cite>Joe Dales said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/where-has-the-flavour-gone#3646443Comment6307"><div>Have you visited some of the Farmers' Markets and talked to the farmers operating some of the stalls?<br></br><br></br>Many of them are growing some of the heritage varieties of vegetables and picking them the day before so they keep their flavours.<br></br><br></br>Many in our mostly urban society love the low price of food so the Walmart driven industrialization of food is not…</div>
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<cite>Joe Dales said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://ontag.farms.com/forum/topics/where-has-the-flavour-gone#3646443Comment6307"><div>Have you visited some of the Farmers' Markets and talked to the farmers operating some of the stalls?<br/><br/>Many of them are growing some of the heritage varieties of vegetables and picking them the day before so they keep their flavours.<br/><br/>Many in our mostly urban society love the low price of food so the Walmart driven industrialization of food is not likely to end soon for the bulk of the market.<br/><br/>I do think if you do some searching, you can find some local food from some great local farmers.<br/><br/>Joe Dales</div>
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