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Do you agree with the OFA that no more wind turbines should be built until a number of issues are dealt with?

The OFA has made a call to the Ontario government to suspend industrial wind turbines saying there are too many unanswered questions about its value, and that the debate over turbines is polarizing rural communities.

Read the OFA article - click here.

What are your thoughts? Do you agree that no more wind turbines should be built until a number of issues are dealt with?

Take the POLL: Do you think Ontario should halt wind turbines? click here

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Political posturing is usually done to help gain a position or some kind of advantage.  What could OFA possibly gain by going against wind turbines when everything green must be sacrosanct by this McGuinty gov't.  Ever thought that people dealing with these developments are finally fed up and are finally getting a voice.  I commend OFA for having the courage to question the value of supposed "green" energies like wind.  This McGuinty gov't shows contempt for all rural residents, not just farmers  because he knows that it's the city vote that get's him elected. 

Joann said:

I don't believe this is anything more than political posturing.

Our Premier has, in my personal opinion, shown nothing short of contempt towards farmers for the past 9 years.

Ontario is preparing for a budget.  The OFA dealt the first hand.


It will be interesting to see how the government play their cards.

The Province has to prepare a budget.  We all know the huge deficit Mr. McGuinty created and the economy is headed downhill for the next foreseeable future....maybe the slide will be stalled by the USA printing more money until the election is over......but we are standing on the edge of a cliff right now.  That means CUTS and more FEES.  Fees is the preferable word to TAXES but it does have the same result.  

You can bet the government will make cuts and increase revenue through fees a/o taxes.

But where to cut?

The OFA has put the current Liberal leadership and the potential leadership (Mr. Bentley) on notice.  Mr. Bentley needs the rural vote, now more than ever. The OFA needs to protect agriculture from further financial erosion or their organization will be at risk.


Colette McLean said:


Political posturing is usually done to help gain a position or some kind of advantage.  What could OFA possibly gain by going against wind turbines when everything green must be sacrosanct by this McGuinty gov't.  Ever thought that people dealing with these developments are finally fed up and are finally getting a voice.  I commend OFA for having the courage to question the value of supposed "green" energies like wind.  This McGuinty gov't shows contempt for all rural residents, not just farmers  because he knows that it's the city vote that get's him elected. 

Joann said:

I don't believe this is anything more than political posturing.

Our Premier has, in my personal opinion, shown nothing short of contempt towards farmers for the past 9 years.

Ontario is preparing for a budget.  The OFA dealt the first hand.


It will be interesting to see how the government play their cards.

For those who think that Europe is smitten with Industrial wind turbines.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/297150/MPS-bid-to-halt-hot-air-...

At present, there are about 3,000 onshore wind turbines with a few hundred off shore. They generate less than two per cent of the nation’s power and are frequently brought to a standstill by too cold or too windy conditions.

The same goes for solar energy

 http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,809439,00.html

Solar energy has gone from being the great white hope, to an impediment to a reliable energy supply

Well don't you think that those initiatives which cannot show themselves to provide any cost benefit for the Ontario taxpayer or ratepayer, should be cancelled at least to help stop this huge deficit.  Green Energy has been forecasted as adding over $300 per household to provide a handful of developers using 75% foreign product to maintain their business case for 20 years.   Cut green energy!!! 

Joann said:

The Province has to prepare a budget.  We all know the huge deficit Mr. McGuinty created and the economy is headed downhill for the next foreseeable future....maybe the slide will be stalled by the USA printing more money until the election is over......but we are standing on the edge of a cliff right now.  That means CUTS and more FEES.  Fees is the preferable word to TAXES but it does have the same result.  

You can bet the government will make cuts and increase revenue through fees a/o taxes.

But where to cut?

The OFA has put the current Liberal leadership and the potential leadership (Mr. Bentley) on notice.  Mr. Bentley needs the rural vote, now more than ever. The OFA needs to protect agriculture from further financial erosion or their organization will be at risk.


Colette McLean said:


Political posturing is usually done to help gain a position or some kind of advantage.  What could OFA possibly gain by going against wind turbines when everything green must be sacrosanct by this McGuinty gov't.  Ever thought that people dealing with these developments are finally fed up and are finally getting a voice.  I commend OFA for having the courage to question the value of supposed "green" energies like wind.  This McGuinty gov't shows contempt for all rural residents, not just farmers  because he knows that it's the city vote that get's him elected. 

Joann said:

I don't believe this is anything more than political posturing.

Our Premier has, in my personal opinion, shown nothing short of contempt towards farmers for the past 9 years.

Ontario is preparing for a budget.  The OFA dealt the first hand.


It will be interesting to see how the government play their cards.

Hey we get it Colette,

You are against windmills because you don't like the look on one on your neighbour's property.  Solar is bad too...come on and give it a rest.

You are likely the same person that a couple of years ago was moaning about Global Warming and that we had to do something.

NIMBY at is finest.

I hope Mark Wales stated his position on this issue before he was elected.  An awfully fast change in position for OFA as the new executive are being briefed on the issues.

 

 

It's always interesting to see how others must define one's reality & launch ad hominens rather then base their opinions on careful examination of the info. which clearly the OFA has done.  Comments like this always end up playing the NIMBY card, never considering that people who are DIRECTLY dealing with these kinds of development have spent years researching, & looking @ both the pros & cons. It's been 5 yrs for me, & the more I read on our energy issues,  the more I see that wind & solar are nothing but a boondoggle.  I know that runs counter to your intuitive thinking Roadrunner, (who obviously doesn't have the courage to use his real name,) and strikes at the heart of your  lack of critical thinking skills. And despite your pre-conceived idea on my stance about Global Warming, even if I did believe in Global Warming , even will all of the thousands of  turbines & solar panels erected, not one coal or NG plant has been shut down and wind with it's pittance of output (25% yearly average @ best)  will only displace 1% of Ontario emissions & provide at best 5% of Ontario's electrical needs.  So you see even the issue about cleaning up our air by shutting down dirty coal is not even true because wind is inefficient, intermittent, unreliable, non dispatchable and requires fossil fuel backup to counter it's fickle power. Again,  I would suggest that you read the AG's (that's Auditor General) report   http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en11/303en11.pdf

 

 Roadrunner said:

Hey we get it Colette,

You are against windmills because you don't like the look on one on your neighbour's property.  Solar is bad too...come on and give it a rest.

You are likely the same person that a couple of years ago was moaning about Global Warming and that we had to do something.

NIMBY at is finest.

I hope Mark Wales stated his position on this issue before he was elected.  An awfully fast change in position for OFA as the new executive are being briefed on the issues.

 

 

It is interesting that you mention the Provincial Auditor.

I will not comment on the sustainability of the wind projects as I do not know the current nor long term status of our energy infrastructure.

I have to question the motives of the recent OFA statement as they, until the very recent past, has been the largest and loudest cheer leaders for most urban mandated Provincial policies in regards to land use.  I don't believe enough research has been done by the organization to make a completely informed opinion on the matter as evident by their recent policy reversal.  I have a suspicion, in my private opinion, that politics cloud their positions.

But everyone is fogetting to ask the basis and foundational questions when it comes to Green Energy in agricultural terms.

Pardon me for borrowing a line from a Hollywood movie but...... the question that needs to be asked is "Who owns the wind"?

The Sovereign granted land patents to qualifying farmers.  In doing so, as in the words of Lt. Gov. Simcoe in his first speech to Parliament in 1792 as the Representative of the Sovereign, he stated that the Sovereign appropriated the "soil and climate" to a special class of people,........ the farmers through signed, signed and registered contracts.  Contracts docketed by the Provincial Auditor.

Farmers were given possession of the climate from the SovereignFarmers have Sovereign rights to the climate and the Auditor must hold that to account as his office legally registered the documents.

Therefore:  If a farmer legally owns a Sovereign contract for possession of the climate in a prescribed geographical area, who am I to say he can or cannot install windmills?

Does the OFA have the legal authority to grant the Province permission to force farmers to harvest the wind?

When a farmer signs a contract for harvesting wind, what is the farmer really giving up?  His Sovereign right to the climate?  I believe so.

The issues around green energy policies are truly, in my opinion, much bigger and deeper than anyone has yet to mention..... and that is where I believe the OFA has truly fallen down.



Colette McLean said:

It's always interesting to see how others must define one's reality & launch ad hominens rather then base their opinions on careful examination of the info. which clearly the OFA has done.  Comments like this always end up playing the NIMBY card, never considering that people who are DIRECTLY dealing with these kinds of development have spent years researching, & looking @ both the pros & cons. It's been 5 yrs for me, & the more I read on our energy issues,  the more I see that wind & solar are nothing but a boondoggle.  I know that runs counter to your intuitive thinking Roadrunner, (who obviously doesn't have the courage to use his real name,) and strikes at the heart of your  lack of critical thinking skills. And despite your pre-conceived idea on my stance about Global Warming, even if I did believe in Global Warming , even will all of the thousands of  turbines & solar panels erected, not one coal or NG plant has been shut down and wind with it's pittance of output (25% yearly average @ best)  will only displace 1% of Ontario emissions & provide at best 5% of Ontario's electrical needs.  So you see even the issue about cleaning up our air by shutting down dirty coal is not even true because wind is inefficient, intermittent, unreliable, non dispatchable and requires fossil fuel backup to counter it's fickle power. Again,  I would suggest that you read the AG's (that's Auditor General) report   http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en11/303en11.pdf

 

Yes, Joann farmers have the rights to their land but you forget is that enacted within the Planning Act are provisions which protect those rights with stipulations to also protect adjoining nearby and abutting land rights.  One's person rights cannot overshadow another's,  that's called democracy which sadly the GEA has thrown out the window.

You dissertation is side tracking the base issue, which is whether gov't policy that is being forced on the Ontario taxpayer and using their tax $$ is sustainable and is providing a return to the PUBLIC.  In the case of wind & solar energy, it is not!  The AG's report clearly questions this because the cost benefit analysis was not done by this McGuinty gov't. 

I would sugges going through this presentation to understand more clearly the problems with wind energy. http://www.slideshare.net/JohnDroz/energy-presentationkey-presentation


Joann said:

It is interesting that you mention the Provincial Auditor.

I will not comment on the sustainability of the wind projects as I do not know the current nor long term status of our energy infrastructure.

I have to question the motives of the recent OFA statement as they, until the very recent past, has been the largest and loudest cheer leaders for most urban mandated Provincial policies in regards to land use.  I don't believe enough research has been done by the organization to make a completely informed opinion on the matter as evident by their recent policy reversal.  I have a suspicion, in my private opinion, that politics cloud their positions.

But everyone is fogetting to ask the basis and foundational questions when it comes to Green Energy in agricultural terms.

Pardon me for borrowing a line from a Hollywood movie but...... the question that needs to be asked is "Who owns the wind"?

The Sovereign granted land patents to qualifying farmers.  In doing so, as in the words of Lt. Gov. Simcoe in his first speech to Parliament in 1792 as the Representative of the Sovereign, he stated that the Sovereign appropriated the "soil and climate" to a special class of people,........ the farmers through signed, signed and registered contracts.  Contracts docketed by the Provincial Auditor.

Farmers were given possession of the climate from the SovereignFarmers have Sovereign rights to the climate and the Auditor must hold that to account as his office legally registered the documents.

Therefore:  If a farmer legally owns a Sovereign contract for possession of the climate in a prescribed geographical area, who am I to say he can or cannot install windmills?

Does the OFA have the legal authority to grant the Province permission to force farmers to harvest the wind?

When a farmer signs a contract for harvesting wind, what is the farmer really giving up?  His Sovereign right to the climate?  I believe so.

The issues around green energy policies are truly, in my opinion, much bigger and deeper than anyone has yet to mention..... and that is where I believe the OFA has truly fallen down.



Colette McLean said:

It's always interesting to see how others must define one's reality & launch ad hominens rather then base their opinions on careful examination of the info. which clearly the OFA has done.  Comments like this always end up playing the NIMBY card, never considering that people who are DIRECTLY dealing with these kinds of development have spent years researching, & looking @ both the pros & cons. It's been 5 yrs for me, & the more I read on our energy issues,  the more I see that wind & solar are nothing but a boondoggle.  I know that runs counter to your intuitive thinking Roadrunner, (who obviously doesn't have the courage to use his real name,) and strikes at the heart of your  lack of critical thinking skills. And despite your pre-conceived idea on my stance about Global Warming, even if I did believe in Global Warming , even will all of the thousands of  turbines & solar panels erected, not one coal or NG plant has been shut down and wind with it's pittance of output (25% yearly average @ best)  will only displace 1% of Ontario emissions & provide at best 5% of Ontario's electrical needs.  So you see even the issue about cleaning up our air by shutting down dirty coal is not even true because wind is inefficient, intermittent, unreliable, non dispatchable and requires fossil fuel backup to counter it's fickle power. Again,  I would suggest that you read the AG's (that's Auditor General) report   http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en11/303en11.pdf

 

I disagree.   The rights farmers have come from the Sovereign.  Not from the Crown in the Right of Ontario.  Not from provincial nor federal legislation. 

The farmers' rights are entrenched in Sovereign contracts.  The contracts are individually awarded rights to farmers long before the collective rights of municipalities were even formed.  

Individual rights trump collective rights.... especially when awarded by the Sovereign.

Land Use Policies regarding agriculture is in a class unto itself.

When the Sovereign appropriated those rights......that means if the Public wishes to encroach on those rights.... they must expropriate the rights or the farmer gives up those rights voluntarily.

Having said that.... it is equally important that farmers ensure that they obtain all pre-land grant contracts that pertain to their specfic piece of land.   What rights did the Crown retain in those Warrants????

The land grant is only one document registered to the land.  There are pre-documents that need to be investigated.... documents the government is not freely supplying to the rightfully affected persons.

Colette McLean said:

Yes, Joann farmers have the rights to their land but you forget is that enacted within the Planning Act are provisions which protect those rights with stipulations to also protect adjoining nearby and abutting land rights.  One's person rights cannot overshadow another's,  that's called democracy which sadly the GEA has thrown out the window.

You dissertation is side tracking the base issue, which is whether gov't policy that is being forced on the Ontario taxpayer and using their tax $$ is sustainable and is providing a return to the PUBLIC.  In the case of wind & solar energy, it is not!  The AG's report clearly questions this because the cost benefit analysis was not done by this McGuinty gov't. 

I would sugges going through this presentation to understand more clearly the problems with wind energy. http://www.slideshare.net/JohnDroz/energy-presentationkey-presentation


Joann said:

It is interesting that you mention the Provincial Auditor.

I will not comment on the sustainability of the wind projects as I do not know the current nor long term status of our energy infrastructure.

I have to question the motives of the recent OFA statement as they, until the very recent past, has been the largest and loudest cheer leaders for most urban mandated Provincial policies in regards to land use.  I don't believe enough research has been done by the organization to make a completely informed opinion on the matter as evident by their recent policy reversal.  I have a suspicion, in my private opinion, that politics cloud their positions.

But everyone is fogetting to ask the basis and foundational questions when it comes to Green Energy in agricultural terms.

Pardon me for borrowing a line from a Hollywood movie but...... the question that needs to be asked is "Who owns the wind"?

The Sovereign granted land patents to qualifying farmers.  In doing so, as in the words of Lt. Gov. Simcoe in his first speech to Parliament in 1792 as the Representative of the Sovereign, he stated that the Sovereign appropriated the "soil and climate" to a special class of people,........ the farmers through signed, signed and registered contracts.  Contracts docketed by the Provincial Auditor.

Farmers were given possession of the climate from the SovereignFarmers have Sovereign rights to the climate and the Auditor must hold that to account as his office legally registered the documents.

Therefore:  If a farmer legally owns a Sovereign contract for possession of the climate in a prescribed geographical area, who am I to say he can or cannot install windmills?

Does the OFA have the legal authority to grant the Province permission to force farmers to harvest the wind?

When a farmer signs a contract for harvesting wind, what is the farmer really giving up?  His Sovereign right to the climate?  I believe so.

The issues around green energy policies are truly, in my opinion, much bigger and deeper than anyone has yet to mention..... and that is where I believe the OFA has truly fallen down.



Colette McLean said:

It's always interesting to see how others must define one's reality & launch ad hominens rather then base their opinions on careful examination of the info. which clearly the OFA has done.  Comments like this always end up playing the NIMBY card, never considering that people who are DIRECTLY dealing with these kinds of development have spent years researching, & looking @ both the pros & cons. It's been 5 yrs for me, & the more I read on our energy issues,  the more I see that wind & solar are nothing but a boondoggle.  I know that runs counter to your intuitive thinking Roadrunner, (who obviously doesn't have the courage to use his real name,) and strikes at the heart of your  lack of critical thinking skills. And despite your pre-conceived idea on my stance about Global Warming, even if I did believe in Global Warming , even will all of the thousands of  turbines & solar panels erected, not one coal or NG plant has been shut down and wind with it's pittance of output (25% yearly average @ best)  will only displace 1% of Ontario emissions & provide at best 5% of Ontario's electrical needs.  So you see even the issue about cleaning up our air by shutting down dirty coal is not even true because wind is inefficient, intermittent, unreliable, non dispatchable and requires fossil fuel backup to counter it's fickle power. Again,  I would suggest that you read the AG's (that's Auditor General) report   http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en11/303en11.pdf

 

 

"When the Sovereign appropriated those rights......that means if the Public wishes to encroach on those rights.... they must expropriate the rights or the farmer gives up those rights voluntarily"

And exactly what do you think has happened Joann with the GEA.  Farmers have given up their rights and entrenched in the contracts they have signed with these wind developers are things like first rights of refusal, postponement of mortages, full easements on not only property, but soil, aggregates, water etc.   Now that time has passed, the consequences of these green projects on ones property are showing up.  Have a look at the Ontario Real Estate Association recent info. on addressing properties with "green" energy projects installed.  

 I do agree with you that there is a  much bigger issue on "sovereign" land rights that is being ignored.

The new Green Energy clauses are:

  • GREEN-1: Condition – MicroFIT Contract
  • GREEN-2: Acknowledgement – MicroFIT Contract
  • GREEN-3: Decommissioning Renewable Energy Facility
  • GREEN-4: Renewable Energy Projects
  • GREEN-5: Wind Turbines – Warranty

The first two clauses deals with the microFIT stream of the provincial government’s Feed-In Tariff program for renewable energy generation, launched in September 2009. The program is operated by the Ontario Power Authority (OPA).

MicroFIT is designed to encourage homeowners and businesses to generate renewable energy with projects of 10 kilowatts or less. Homeowners and businesses must apply to the OPA to participate in the program. For more information, go to http://microfit.powerauthority.on.ca.

Clause GREEN-1 provides the buyer with the opportunity to review the terms of an existing microFIT contract on the property, if applicable. Clause GREEN-2 confirms the buyer has reviewed the microFIT contract, if applicable.

The balance of the clauses confirms/warrants the following:

•  GREEN-3 – confirms that the buyer understands he/she may be responsible for decommissioning the renewable energy installation at expense of the property owner

•  GREEN 4 – confirms that the buyer is aware of proposed or existing renewable energy projects in the area

•  GREEN 5 – warrants that the seller is not aware of any renewable energy projects for the immediate area

Clause GREEN-5 can be altered to reference solar energy collectors.

Green energy is a complicated topic. REALTORS® must be prepared to create specific clauses to deal with unique circumstances as they arise. In addition, REALTORS® should be aware that renewable energy installations can affect the insurability of a property, and clauses may be required to verify the insurability of the property.

For More Information

The clauses are posted in the Members Only section of OREA’s website (www.orea.com).


Joann said:

I disagree.   The rights farmers have come from the Sovereign.  Not from the Crown in the Right of Ontario.  Not from provincial nor federal legislation. 

The farmers' rights are entrenched in Sovereign contracts.  The contracts are individually awarded rights to farmers long before the collective rights of municipalities were even formed.  

Individual rights trump collective rights.... especially when awarded by the Sovereign.

Land Use Policies regarding agriculture is in a class unto itself.

When the Sovereign appropriated those rights......that means if the Public wishes to encroach on those rights.... they must expropriate the rights or the farmer gives up those rights voluntarily.

Having said that.... it is equally important that farmers ensure that they obtain all pre-land grant contracts that pertain to their specfic piece of land.   What rights did the Crown retain in those Warrants????

The land grant is only one document registered to the land.  There are pre-documents that need to be investigated.... documents the government is not freely supplying to the rightfully affected persons.

Colette McLean said:

Yes, Joann farmers have the rights to their land but you forget is that enacted within the Planning Act are provisions which protect those rights with stipulations to also protect adjoining nearby and abutting land rights.  One's person rights cannot overshadow another's,  that's called democracy which sadly the GEA has thrown out the window.

You dissertation is side tracking the base issue, which is whether gov't policy that is being forced on the Ontario taxpayer and using their tax $$ is sustainable and is providing a return to the PUBLIC.  In the case of wind & solar energy, it is not!  The AG's report clearly questions this because the cost benefit analysis was not done by this McGuinty gov't. 

I would sugges going through this presentation to understand more clearly the problems with wind energy. http://www.slideshare.net/JohnDroz/energy-presentationkey-presentation


Joann said:

It is interesting that you mention the Provincial Auditor.

I will not comment on the sustainability of the wind projects as I do not know the current nor long term status of our energy infrastructure.

I have to question the motives of the recent OFA statement as they, until the very recent past, has been the largest and loudest cheer leaders for most urban mandated Provincial policies in regards to land use.  I don't believe enough research has been done by the organization to make a completely informed opinion on the matter as evident by their recent policy reversal.  I have a suspicion, in my private opinion, that politics cloud their positions.

But everyone is fogetting to ask the basis and foundational questions when it comes to Green Energy in agricultural terms.

Pardon me for borrowing a line from a Hollywood movie but...... the question that needs to be asked is "Who owns the wind"?

The Sovereign granted land patents to qualifying farmers.  In doing so, as in the words of Lt. Gov. Simcoe in his first speech to Parliament in 1792 as the Representative of the Sovereign, he stated that the Sovereign appropriated the "soil and climate" to a special class of people,........ the farmers through signed, signed and registered contracts.  Contracts docketed by the Provincial Auditor.

Farmers were given possession of the climate from the SovereignFarmers have Sovereign rights to the climate and the Auditor must hold that to account as his office legally registered the documents.

Therefore:  If a farmer legally owns a Sovereign contract for possession of the climate in a prescribed geographical area, who am I to say he can or cannot install windmills?

Does the OFA have the legal authority to grant the Province permission to force farmers to harvest the wind?

When a farmer signs a contract for harvesting wind, what is the farmer really giving up?  His Sovereign right to the climate?  I believe so.

The issues around green energy policies are truly, in my opinion, much bigger and deeper than anyone has yet to mention..... and that is where I believe the OFA has truly fallen down.



Colette McLean said:

It's always interesting to see how others must define one's reality & launch ad hominens rather then base their opinions on careful examination of the info. which clearly the OFA has done.  Comments like this always end up playing the NIMBY card, never considering that people who are DIRECTLY dealing with these kinds of development have spent years researching, & looking @ both the pros & cons. It's been 5 yrs for me, & the more I read on our energy issues,  the more I see that wind & solar are nothing but a boondoggle.  I know that runs counter to your intuitive thinking Roadrunner, (who obviously doesn't have the courage to use his real name,) and strikes at the heart of your  lack of critical thinking skills. And despite your pre-conceived idea on my stance about Global Warming, even if I did believe in Global Warming , even will all of the thousands of  turbines & solar panels erected, not one coal or NG plant has been shut down and wind with it's pittance of output (25% yearly average @ best)  will only displace 1% of Ontario emissions & provide at best 5% of Ontario's electrical needs.  So you see even the issue about cleaning up our air by shutting down dirty coal is not even true because wind is inefficient, intermittent, unreliable, non dispatchable and requires fossil fuel backup to counter it's fickle power. Again,  I would suggest that you read the AG's (that's Auditor General) report   http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en11/303en11.pdf

 

If the realtors, as you state should be aware "green" clauses..... then it stands to reason that realtors should also know about the "warrants" that were applied to agricultural lands by the Sovereign.

or are you being selective in suggesting what realtors should be aware of?

Colette McLean said:

 

"When the Sovereign appropriated those rights......that means if the Public wishes to encroach on those rights.... they must expropriate the rights or the farmer gives up those rights voluntarily"

And exactly what do you think has happened Joann with the GEA.  Farmers have given up their rights and entrenched in the contracts they have signed with these wind developers are things like first rights of refusal, postponement of mortages, full easements on not only property, but soil, aggregates, water etc.   Now that time has passed, the consequences of these green projects on ones property are showing up.  Have a look at the Ontario Real Estate Association recent info. on addressing properties with "green" energy projects installed.  

 I do agree with you that there is a  much bigger issue on "sovereign" land rights that is being ignored.

The new Green Energy clauses are:

  • GREEN-1: Condition – MicroFIT Contract
  • GREEN-2: Acknowledgement – MicroFIT Contract
  • GREEN-3: Decommissioning Renewable Energy Facility
  • GREEN-4: Renewable Energy Projects
  • GREEN-5: Wind Turbines – Warranty

The first two clauses deals with the microFIT stream of the provincial government’s Feed-In Tariff program for renewable energy generation, launched in September 2009. The program is operated by the Ontario Power Authority (OPA).

Realtors are only becoming aware of the implications green energy projects are having on the sales of land.  The  info. I provided is recent.  I am not suggesting that realtors should be selective, only truthful and knowledgeable of the ramifications "green" projects are having ag. lands.    I apologize but I do not understand your line of questioning nor do I understand why "warrants" or "sovereignty"  is of such importance to the energy issue when what needs to be considered, in deciding to go forward with alternative energies like wind, is whether it is  a technically, economically and enironmentally sound solution to our energy problems.  After 5 yrs of examining this,  it is NOT and it appears that OFA concurs by asking the provincial gov't that it  examine  wind development and that further construction be halted until outstanding issues such as land succession,   and the inefficiencies of wind, are addressed. 

 


Joann said:

If the realtors, as you state should be aware "green" clauses..... then it stands to reason that realtors should also know about the "warrants" that were applied to agricultural lands by the Sovereign.

or are you being selective in suggesting what realtors should be aware of?

Colette McLean said:

 

"When the Sovereign appropriated those rights......that means if the Public wishes to encroach on those rights.... they must expropriate the rights or the farmer gives up those rights voluntarily"

And exactly what do you think has happened Joann with the GEA.  Farmers have given up their rights and entrenched in the contracts they have signed with these wind developers are things like first rights of refusal, postponement of mortages, full easements on not only property, but soil, aggregates, water etc.   Now that time has passed, the consequences of these green projects on ones property are showing up.  Have a look at the Ontario Real Estate Association recent info. on addressing properties with "green" energy projects installed.  

 I do agree with you that there is a  much bigger issue on "sovereign" land rights that is being ignored.

The new Green Energy clauses are:

  • GREEN-1: Condition – MicroFIT Contract
  • GREEN-2: Acknowledgement – MicroFIT Contract
  • GREEN-3: Decommissioning Renewable Energy Facility
  • GREEN-4: Renewable Energy Projects
  • GREEN-5: Wind Turbines – Warranty

The first two clauses deals with the microFIT stream of the provincial government’s Feed-In Tariff program for renewable energy generation, launched in September 2009. The program is operated by the Ontario Power Authority (OPA).

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More Canadian Corn Acres in 2025; Fewer Soybeans

A Statistics Canada acreage report on Wednesday said Canadian producers intend to plant more corn and less soybeans in 2025. Nationwide corn plantings were estimated at 3.769 million acres, up 3.2% from a year earlier but still below the 3.824 million planted in 2023. On the other hand, soybean area was projected at 5.635 million acres, a 1.3% decline from 2024 but still above the 5.63 million acres planted in 2023. The report seems to confirm conventional opinion that corn will be the more profitable option, versus soybeans, for North American farmers this year. However, the report is based on a survey of 8,200 Canadian farmers between Dec. 13 and Jan. 27, long before US President Donald Trum launched trade action against China that has resulted in retaliatory measures, including 15% and 10% levies on US corn and soybeans, respectively. Trump has also threated 25% tariffs against most US imports of Canadian goods, including grains and grain products., which could take effect next

CCGA Implementing Interest-Free Change for 2025 Cash Advances

Late last week, the Honourable Lawrence MacAulay, Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food, announced the interest-free limit for the 2025 Advance Payments Program (APP) is increasing to $250,000. Canadian Canola Growers Association (CCGA) began accepting applications for the 2025 program in mid-February and is taking steps to deliver cash advances at this higher interest-free benefit. Previously, the interest-free limit was set at $100,000. “We’re focused on implementing the higher interest-free benefit quickly so that all farmers, including those who have already applied for a 2025 cash advance, can benefit equally,” says Dave Gallant, CCGA’s Vice-President, Finance & APP Operations. “CCGA will be notifying existing 2025 applicants about the program change and any actions required on their part. We hope to make the process seamless for all farmers.” For 2025, farmers can apply for up to $1 million in financing, with the interest-free component at $250,000 and the remaining at CCGA’s i

CCA Pleased to See Sustained Increase to Interest-Free Portion of Loans under Advance Payments Program

On Friday, March 7, the Hon. Lawrence MacAulay, Canada’s Minister of Agriculture and Agrifood,announced that for the fourth straight growing season the federal government would increase the interest-free portion of loans under the Advance Payments Program (APP) to $250,000 rather than the default of $100,000. CCA has been advocating for the limit to be kept at $350,000, but increasing it to $250,000 is positive for producers across Canada and will help keep the beef cattle sector economically competitive in an unsteady economic environment. Without the change, the interest-free portion of loans under APP would have reverted back to $100,000, which would not account for inflation and escalating input costs. The intent of APP is to help farmers, especially young farmers, meet cash flow needs and market their production flexibly. APP is also an important tool in helping producers meet escalating input costs, particularly that of raising capital to invest into the next crop. With ongoing

Research on the Farm – Barley Seeding Rate Trial Summary

Manitoba Crop Alliance’s (MCA) Research on the Farm (ROTF) program conducts scientific research with farmer members using replicated strip trials on commercial fields. Farmer co-operators use their own equipment and management practices to conduct this research. Research projects are developed to investigate current and pressing agronomic questions and provide site-specific answers. More information about the ROTF program and all trial results can be found here. Barley genetics for both malting and feed varieties have improved over the last decade. Evaluating current seeding rates for new barley varieties was necessary to understand if target plant stand densities are optimized for both grain yield and quality. The purpose of this trial was to investigate the economic and agronomic impact of farmers increasing and decreasing their target plant stands. This was done by having decreased and increased seeding rate treatments compared to the farmers’ normal. Over the past three years (20

U.S. tariffs hurt Manitoba farmers, economy

Today, Keystone Agricultural Producers (KAP) responded to the U.S. government implementing 25% tariffs on Canadian goods imported into the U.S. “Today’s imposition of tariffs on Canadian goods entering the U.S. will do nothing but harm farmers and consumers on both sides of the border,” said KAP President, Jill Verwey. “We oppose these trade actions that impede the free flow of goods between our two nations in the strongest of terms.” In 2024, Manitoba’s agri-food exports were $9.28 billion, with 46% of that going to the U.S. as our top agri-food trading partner. Some of the most exported farm products from Manitoba into the U.S. include canola, pork, potatoes, and oats. “Manitoba farmers produce world-class agricultural products and our trading partners in the U.S. know this, despite the actions their federal government are taking that will disrupt their ability to access Manitoba products at an affordable price,” said KAP General Manager, Colin Hornby. “These tariffs will not only

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